In the most recent essay, “How To, Want To, Need To … Will To Do” there are two areas which need some clarification. The following will be to bring more light to my understanding and clarification so that there can be no doubt to my meanings.
"They in doing so take away the Divinity of the Savior and His Father – Our Heavenly Father – treating them like men/women and not as the Gods which they are and forever will be known."
Our Heavenly Father, or the Father of Our Savior is the same which is referred to at the time of the Baptism of the Savior – when the heavens parted and a voice declared, This is my Beloved Son, in whom I’m well pleased!” Matthew 3:17; Matthew 17:5; Mark 9:7; Luke 9:35; 2 Peter 1:17: Doctrine and Covenants 93:15 and Joseph Smith History 1:17! This is the Father to whom the Savior referred to in all that he did – (the Scriptures are too numerous to mention all – but anyone referring to the life of the Savior in mortality will find a plethora of references). This is the Father with whom we knew in the Pre-existence and to who we will know as we come to know His Son and Our Savior Jesus Christ! This is the Father as testified of by Stephen prior to being stoned, Acts 7:55-56!
Now as a transfer to the Son – Our Lord and Savior with this verse of Scripture: 3 Nephi 9:15 “Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God, I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that are in them are, I was with the Father from the beginning. I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name.” Always remembering, 1 Timothy 2:5 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
Our Savior Jesus Christ is the same as testified to by His Father – Our Heavenly Father (see Scriptures above) and who exemplified in all his teachings that he was indeed the Christ spoken of by the Prophets. Jesus Christ is the Jehovah of the Old Testament who spoke with the Prophets – face to face – and to which all of the Prophets have testified of in their ministries. Jesus Christ is whom we are to know – intimately – as our brother – our friend – our advocate with the Father – and most of all our Savior who through His Atonement removed Spiritual Death from this Earth and has allowed all men to be saved (less those who deny the Holy Ghost or shed innocent blood). Yet this same Jesus Christ has covenanted that there is more than just being saved – there’s life eternal to return with Him (Jesus Christ) to Our Father in Heaven in the Celestial Kingdom. Paul further tells us of the various kingdoms in 1 Cor. 15:14 (this information is further explained in the Doctrine and Covenants -131:1).
There is only one way to know and confirm the above and that is through the Holy Ghost which testifies of all truth! One must humble themselves – put away the world and worldly – repent of their wrong-doings and pray unto the Father – through our advocate the Savior and ask is this be true! If it is true – then the Holy Ghost will testify it to you!
James 1:5-7 – “If any of you lack wisdom let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.”
"Let’s not misunderstand many of those who teach in such a manner are good men and women – they’ve great worth – help rear good families – but and this is a big but – they surely know what they’re teaching is not in harmony with the literal truth of the Bible!"
Throughout the Scriptures there are many truths revealed to all men in the Bible – these are to what I refer that we believe ‘literally’ and testify of in all we do, think and say. This would include the Flood, the escape from Egypt, the dividing of the seas, walking on water, feeding the thousands, Jesus being the Son of the Father, the testimonies of the Prophets, and this list would continue to include all of the truths found in the Scriptures.
Let us note that the Savior taught in parables and these are used figuratively to explain or bring understanding to another. It’s taking something which one is familiar with – to teach a true principle with which they are not familiar with. In teaching our children as parents we do this daily – trying to simplify difficult things which they must learn. We understand these teachings – and what their intent is to accomplish – these would be different from the ‘literal truths’ of the Scriptures. (E.G. Eve is the mother of all people and God is like a hen) and much that is not to be taken figuratively (E.G. Mary is the Savior's mother and the Atonement is Infinite).
This would also include the Ten Commandments and the other Commandments added to these by the Father – through the Son (Our Savior) in his teachings and through the Prophets. The Ten Commandments are not suggestions – are not to be violated – are not to be changed (per se’ by man without the gift of being a Seer, Revelator and Prophet). (It should be noted that to my understanding never has a Prophet, Revelator or Seer ever changed any of the Ten Commandments or the others taught and given to man/woman by the Father – through the Savior – via their Prophets.)
When one begins to question the teachings of the Scriptures – or begins to interpret them for another without the proper authority from the Savior and/or through the Prophets – one is on very thin razors. Those who assume by going to schools or taking upon themselves to act in the name of the Father or the Son without having received the proper authority then they are acting under false authority. When one declares the heavens are closed – or the Scriptures cannot be added to or changed (while revising them) must have received revelations – which they’ve said have ceased. They cannot have it both ways – either they’ve received revelation to revise the Bible – to confirm there’s no more revelations – or that the Bible is all there is! When one takes it upon themselves to add or delete from the Bible or Scriptures – which man has done continuously since the late 1st Century starting at about 70AD.
The Scriptures were written for everyone to be able to read them and understand (see James 1:5-7 above)! Presentations like my effort are to encourage one to read prayerfully what’s in the Scriptures for themselves. To humble themselves to decide if there’s one true Church (1 Nephi 14:10) (also see wherein Paul talks about how the Church should be called when he found they were using a variety of names during his travels); or if there should be many? Should men be called to the Priesthood by those without authority or of those with authority of the Father and the Son?
Finally again the most important aspect of all of this; Marriage – eternal Marriage – a Marriage which transcends the grave – passes through the veil – having a family which is eternal forever and ever. Matthew 16:19 “And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” 1 Peter 3:7 “Likewise, ye husbands, swell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.” Where is this sealing ordinance found – and if it’s not found then Malachi 4:5-6 – “Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the of the LORD: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.” Doctrine and Covenants 2:1-3 “Behold, I will reveal unto you the Priesthood, by the hand of Elijah the prophet, before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. And he shall plant in the hearts of the children the promises made to the fathers, and the hearts of the children shall turn to their fathers. If it were not so, the whole earth would be utterly wasted at his coming.”
Why is this so important to the Father and the Son (Our Savior)? The first ordinance of the Gospel was the marriage of Adam and Eve – first before all else – and they were married in the Garden of Eden – a marriage without end – no, ‘till death do you part’ or any other such wording. Performed the one having authority – which in these latter days has been restored – for it has not, “the whole earth would be utterly wasted at his coming.” Thus the purpose of this earth was to bring into mortality – flesh and bone (as the Father and the Son) to our spirits from the pre-existence and to become families in marriage of one man and one woman – and their children. If this ordinance cannot be found on this earth at this time – which all recognize as the Latter-days – then why not? If this is the purpose of our creation and the worth of this world – why would it be omitted? (Note: Only due to the restraints of subject I’ll not go into Baptism for the Dead – however, will refer all readers to Paul and his teachings in 1 Cor. 15:29 and from Doctrine and Covenants 127.) It’s through the authority and power of the Priesthood in which these sealing ordinances and baptism for the dead are preformed which can reunite families for the eternities.
Thus if these are indeed the Latter-days – this is most important for all of us to study the Scriptures – to learn to know the Savior intimately – and thus learn to know the Father – for one testifies of the other. We will thus have the understanding of why we need to be obedient to all of the Commandments and what it’s we should be doing in seeking out one Church which teaches all of the saving ordinances for the salvation and eternal life of men/women on this earth. This is not something which one can have another do for them while they’re here in mortality – each must be accountable and responsible for themselves and their families.
These truths are real and evident in the Scriptures – Jesus is the Christ – he came to this Earth to do His Father’s will – our Heavenly Father – and through them and their anointed Prophets we might also return unto them with eternal life forever and ever with our families. I further testify that the Gospel of Jesus Christ in its fullness has been restored in these latter-days and is now on this earth with the keys and authority to bind families in the sealing ordinances and baptisms for the dead for time and all eternity. And that Thomas S. Monson is the LORD’s anointed Prophet on this earth at this time. And I leave these things with you my family, friends and strangers – in the name of Jesus Christ – amen. cjingerson
John 8:12 “Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world, he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.”
“Clarifications”
cji
9/06/09
Seeking no error here
or understanding not
making oneself clear
a message not forgot;
Clarifications so made
where all might know
which waters to wade
in eternal life to grow!
Copyright © 2009 – cji
http://whispersofthespirit.yuku.com/topic/10118
(Do We Want to Know?)
"They in doing so take away the Divinity of the Savior and His Father – Our Heavenly Father – treating them like men/women and not as the Gods which they are and forever will be known."
Our Heavenly Father, or the Father of Our Savior is the same which is referred to at the time of the Baptism of the Savior – when the heavens parted and a voice declared, This is my Beloved Son, in whom I’m well pleased!” Matthew 3:17; Matthew 17:5; Mark 9:7; Luke 9:35; 2 Peter 1:17: Doctrine and Covenants 93:15 and Joseph Smith History 1:17! This is the Father to whom the Savior referred to in all that he did – (the Scriptures are too numerous to mention all – but anyone referring to the life of the Savior in mortality will find a plethora of references). This is the Father with whom we knew in the Pre-existence and to who we will know as we come to know His Son and Our Savior Jesus Christ! This is the Father as testified of by Stephen prior to being stoned, Acts 7:55-56!
Now as a transfer to the Son – Our Lord and Savior with this verse of Scripture: 3 Nephi 9:15 “Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God, I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that are in them are, I was with the Father from the beginning. I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name.” Always remembering, 1 Timothy 2:5 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
Our Savior Jesus Christ is the same as testified to by His Father – Our Heavenly Father (see Scriptures above) and who exemplified in all his teachings that he was indeed the Christ spoken of by the Prophets. Jesus Christ is the Jehovah of the Old Testament who spoke with the Prophets – face to face – and to which all of the Prophets have testified of in their ministries. Jesus Christ is whom we are to know – intimately – as our brother – our friend – our advocate with the Father – and most of all our Savior who through His Atonement removed Spiritual Death from this Earth and has allowed all men to be saved (less those who deny the Holy Ghost or shed innocent blood). Yet this same Jesus Christ has covenanted that there is more than just being saved – there’s life eternal to return with Him (Jesus Christ) to Our Father in Heaven in the Celestial Kingdom. Paul further tells us of the various kingdoms in 1 Cor. 15:14 (this information is further explained in the Doctrine and Covenants -131:1).
There is only one way to know and confirm the above and that is through the Holy Ghost which testifies of all truth! One must humble themselves – put away the world and worldly – repent of their wrong-doings and pray unto the Father – through our advocate the Savior and ask is this be true! If it is true – then the Holy Ghost will testify it to you!
James 1:5-7 – “If any of you lack wisdom let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.”
"Let’s not misunderstand many of those who teach in such a manner are good men and women – they’ve great worth – help rear good families – but and this is a big but – they surely know what they’re teaching is not in harmony with the literal truth of the Bible!"
Throughout the Scriptures there are many truths revealed to all men in the Bible – these are to what I refer that we believe ‘literally’ and testify of in all we do, think and say. This would include the Flood, the escape from Egypt, the dividing of the seas, walking on water, feeding the thousands, Jesus being the Son of the Father, the testimonies of the Prophets, and this list would continue to include all of the truths found in the Scriptures.
Let us note that the Savior taught in parables and these are used figuratively to explain or bring understanding to another. It’s taking something which one is familiar with – to teach a true principle with which they are not familiar with. In teaching our children as parents we do this daily – trying to simplify difficult things which they must learn. We understand these teachings – and what their intent is to accomplish – these would be different from the ‘literal truths’ of the Scriptures. (E.G. Eve is the mother of all people and God is like a hen) and much that is not to be taken figuratively (E.G. Mary is the Savior's mother and the Atonement is Infinite).
This would also include the Ten Commandments and the other Commandments added to these by the Father – through the Son (Our Savior) in his teachings and through the Prophets. The Ten Commandments are not suggestions – are not to be violated – are not to be changed (per se’ by man without the gift of being a Seer, Revelator and Prophet). (It should be noted that to my understanding never has a Prophet, Revelator or Seer ever changed any of the Ten Commandments or the others taught and given to man/woman by the Father – through the Savior – via their Prophets.)
When one begins to question the teachings of the Scriptures – or begins to interpret them for another without the proper authority from the Savior and/or through the Prophets – one is on very thin razors. Those who assume by going to schools or taking upon themselves to act in the name of the Father or the Son without having received the proper authority then they are acting under false authority. When one declares the heavens are closed – or the Scriptures cannot be added to or changed (while revising them) must have received revelations – which they’ve said have ceased. They cannot have it both ways – either they’ve received revelation to revise the Bible – to confirm there’s no more revelations – or that the Bible is all there is! When one takes it upon themselves to add or delete from the Bible or Scriptures – which man has done continuously since the late 1st Century starting at about 70AD.
The Scriptures were written for everyone to be able to read them and understand (see James 1:5-7 above)! Presentations like my effort are to encourage one to read prayerfully what’s in the Scriptures for themselves. To humble themselves to decide if there’s one true Church (1 Nephi 14:10) (also see wherein Paul talks about how the Church should be called when he found they were using a variety of names during his travels); or if there should be many? Should men be called to the Priesthood by those without authority or of those with authority of the Father and the Son?
Finally again the most important aspect of all of this; Marriage – eternal Marriage – a Marriage which transcends the grave – passes through the veil – having a family which is eternal forever and ever. Matthew 16:19 “And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” 1 Peter 3:7 “Likewise, ye husbands, swell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.” Where is this sealing ordinance found – and if it’s not found then Malachi 4:5-6 – “Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the of the LORD: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.” Doctrine and Covenants 2:1-3 “Behold, I will reveal unto you the Priesthood, by the hand of Elijah the prophet, before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. And he shall plant in the hearts of the children the promises made to the fathers, and the hearts of the children shall turn to their fathers. If it were not so, the whole earth would be utterly wasted at his coming.”
Why is this so important to the Father and the Son (Our Savior)? The first ordinance of the Gospel was the marriage of Adam and Eve – first before all else – and they were married in the Garden of Eden – a marriage without end – no, ‘till death do you part’ or any other such wording. Performed the one having authority – which in these latter days has been restored – for it has not, “the whole earth would be utterly wasted at his coming.” Thus the purpose of this earth was to bring into mortality – flesh and bone (as the Father and the Son) to our spirits from the pre-existence and to become families in marriage of one man and one woman – and their children. If this ordinance cannot be found on this earth at this time – which all recognize as the Latter-days – then why not? If this is the purpose of our creation and the worth of this world – why would it be omitted? (Note: Only due to the restraints of subject I’ll not go into Baptism for the Dead – however, will refer all readers to Paul and his teachings in 1 Cor. 15:29 and from Doctrine and Covenants 127.) It’s through the authority and power of the Priesthood in which these sealing ordinances and baptism for the dead are preformed which can reunite families for the eternities.
Thus if these are indeed the Latter-days – this is most important for all of us to study the Scriptures – to learn to know the Savior intimately – and thus learn to know the Father – for one testifies of the other. We will thus have the understanding of why we need to be obedient to all of the Commandments and what it’s we should be doing in seeking out one Church which teaches all of the saving ordinances for the salvation and eternal life of men/women on this earth. This is not something which one can have another do for them while they’re here in mortality – each must be accountable and responsible for themselves and their families.
These truths are real and evident in the Scriptures – Jesus is the Christ – he came to this Earth to do His Father’s will – our Heavenly Father – and through them and their anointed Prophets we might also return unto them with eternal life forever and ever with our families. I further testify that the Gospel of Jesus Christ in its fullness has been restored in these latter-days and is now on this earth with the keys and authority to bind families in the sealing ordinances and baptisms for the dead for time and all eternity. And that Thomas S. Monson is the LORD’s anointed Prophet on this earth at this time. And I leave these things with you my family, friends and strangers – in the name of Jesus Christ – amen. cjingerson
John 8:12 “Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world, he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.”
“Clarifications”
cji
9/06/09
Seeking no error here
or understanding not
making oneself clear
a message not forgot;
Clarifications so made
where all might know
which waters to wade
in eternal life to grow!
Copyright © 2009 – cji
http://whispersofthespirit.yuku.com/topic/10118
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