"Agnosticism 101"

“Agnosticism 101”

cji

7/24/14

So much type has been dried

filling pages only with rhetoric

creating words and definitions

passing over layers of truths

grabbing out of context facts

thus to control other’s thoughts

agnosticism is one such idea

ignoring confusion/contention

found in almost every religion

claiming new proofs of truth

without more substance known

confusion/contention grown!

Copyright © 2014 – cji

Interesting is the following which is circulating – as I’ve read most all of Einstein’s writings (his in translation) and never seen this there – however this has been around. Einstein – was raised in an inactive Jewish home – went to Catholic schools (was ridiculed) and never professed either a belief or disbelief to any Church – however, he did fully acknowledge the existence of God (per se’ not Jesus Christ) and a higher authority. He stated this in a small meeting in CA just prior to WW2 (1940). When Israel was formed he was asked to be the first Prime Minister but turned it down. As almost all those of a higher intellect he understood the being of a higher being – had read the Bible – and found where it made common sense and that none of the churches he knew of did. I’ll research the below but don’t believe it is anything more than someone’s creation trying to give it more credibility. 

Analysis: This apocryphal tale of a college-age Albert Einstein proving the existence of God to his atheist professor first began circulating in 2004. One reason we know it isn't true is that the same story was already making the rounds earlier with no mention of Einstein in it at all.

Another reason we know it isn't true is that Einstein was a self-described agnostic who didn't believe in what he called a "personal God." He wrote: "[T]he word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."

And, finally, we know it isn't true because Einstein was a careful thinker who wouldn't have abided the specious logic attributed to him here. As written, the argument neither disproves the existence of evil nor proves the existence of God.

(Note: None of what follows is intended to disprove the existence of God, nor suffices to do so.)

Actually the author who wrote the analysis doesn’t understand the definition of Agnostic – and or much of Einstein. An agnostic is someone who neither believes nor disbelieves in the existence of a deity or deities, whereas a theist and an atheist believe and disbelieve, respectively. Over time many have asserted this label on those like Jefferson, Darwin, Einstein and many other – and I would guess to some degree you and I! Huxley came up with the term – and since then the liberal application has taken in a lot of territory without understanding who they’ve assessed it to. Einstein never self-described himself as such except to get people off of his case – the same as Jefferson and Adams belonged to churches to keep people off of their backs. Darwin – was born into a preachers home – attended seminary and finally walked away due to the confusion found. What is taken out of context is that almost all of the Christian Churches claim no personal God – but in their various creeds only a God which makes absolutely no sense without body, parts of passions. Thus most all of Christendom and the other major religions of the world are by Huxley’s definition ‘Agnostics’.

By definition a ‘personal God’ is one you can communicate with one to one – and be heard and understood and at the same time come to know literally. Since only one organized Church believes this to be true – that there is open communication with their God – then what of the rest of the world? Where is found ‘closed heavens’ ‘no more revelations’ ‘no more additional scriptures’ thus denying all that they can easily read on their own which say just the opposite. c/ork

Copyright © 2014 – cji

"Daughters of Heavenly Father - to Honor and Love"

“Daughters of Heavenly Father – to Honor and Love”

cji 7/7/14

Over time and many millennia ravages have taken place to the value of both human life and to the ideas of morality, virtue, honesty, trust, and other of the good qualities reference by Paul in the Scriptures. Worst of all is the ravages against the precious daughters of Heavenly Father. What used to be the paradigm of character – rising all to a higher standard is now only worse than that of enslavement by the world’s current population. In many nations women are worse than slaves in their confinement to the most ridiculous laws and standards. Many of these are unrighteous nations ruled by tyrants and clerics who’ve no comprehension of their value to Heavenly Father. While in the learned nations of the world women are nothing more than equitant to the lusts of both men and other women. Instead of being honored in motherhood, home-makers (when possible), wives of honor (see Proverbs 31:10-33) – they’ve become as spoken of by Isaiah in Chapter 3!

There was a revolution for women’s rights within the US and other nations – until any vestige of rights put them in a worse state than prior to such a revolution. It is now considered this was a Sexual Revolution and righteousness lost! Instead of raising the bar of honor and respect for women it has only de-elevated them to the level of men! Indeed, this revolution had taken on such force and stature that the Commands of God are totally and fully ignored by the majority of the population of both learned nations and illiterate nations. There are exceptions where the morality of the world are neither tolerated nor allowed into these same nations. However, these nations are in the minority even more so today.

One cannot open a magazine – watch a television program – see billboards or ads – listen to music or go to a movie without being exposed to the pervasiveness of human depravity as the now accepted norm of our society. In the 1980’s I taught a college class on Advertising – and its impact to get potential customers to use their products. One part of the class was to look at the sexual content of advertising – in that the 1970’s and 1980’s were the biggest of the Women’s Liberation Movement – and what was found were some ads in especially women magazines were pornographic so much so that most all of the class were astonished at what they saw. This was over 30 years ago and everything since then has been on a downhill slide.

Now what has been said above is nothing new or unknown! As most know ‘sex education’ with or without parental permission is taught in elementary school – more so in middle school and not at all needed in high school or college. 5^th and 6^th graders can get free birth control devices without doing anything more than picking them out of a box/envelop. Thus, immoral sexual behavior is now the accepted norm for 10 year olds and older (and in some cases younger). Pedophiles are on the increase – child and date rape is on the rise – indeed what was once consider rape is now considered consensual relationships. Role models in our society get away with sexual violations – not because they didn’t do them but because they’ve the money and MSM to support them. Women who’re violated are more afraid now to come forward than any time in history. And those who do in many cases have been found to be lying to make it even worse on those innocent who’ve been attacked.

In our society – it would seem everyone has boyfriends and girlfriends but very few have wives or husbands. Currently those who parade their sexuality (forbidden in the Scriptures) have the courts of law fully supporting them and indeed have brought their choices and forced them on the public (including our very young to view). Again none of this in new information – or even shocking to anyone – it is all accepted – much like cheating on exams – lying – breaking one’s word – running stop signs – speeding – drinking and driving – all accepted norms in our society.

·         However, none of the above is accepted in Heavenly Father’s society – keeping the Commandments – all of them and there are more than just ten – is the only key to enter back into His presences (John 14 – and multiple other verses in Scripture). Each must remember if one keeps not all of the Commandments of God – then they’ve chosen to rebel against him! When one understands the sexual sin is next to that of murder – then the magnitude of what has been taking place might bring up a vivid picture to one’s mind. “Whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery* in his heart: Matt. 5:28; (Would this not equally apply to women?).” (* while adultery is most often considered between a person and another’s spouse – this is not the limitation on the word – but any sexual relationship outside of the legal bonds of marriage – and indeed there are many other forms of adultery in the Scriptures.) So often the world teaches one to justify their actions to the point they forget what they are justifying and begin to see everything as acceptable. Breaking even the least of the Commandments (Matthew 5:21) “…and teach others to do the same – shall in no wise be saved in the kingdom of heaven…”

Therefore we can see the eternal effects of our violations of the Commandments – yet there is more to be understood – and that is the tender and loving spirits of the daughters of Heavenly Father. Whereas some consider it in good humor to jest or tease in less than desirable subjects around these precious daughters – they are indeed offending the Father and the Son – in doing such. Tender spirits – naïve to the worldly ways and thinking – are like tender shoots which when even lightly stepped upon can be gravely injured. The righteous woman is not to be trifled with in any manner – but to be treated as one of Father’s precious daughters and if the Father were present!

Some wonder how feelings and be hurt or feel pain. One time I was standing in a Church foyer and overheard some murmuring – this murmuring struck me to the heart – I was saddened all over by what they were talking about and got away to where I could no longer have to listen to them. They were talking of the Lord’s anointed – and thus are the righteous women on this earth today the Lord’s anointed.

As most of this would appear to be directed to men – it is indeed directed to both men and women! We’ve a wicked world – and one must listen, hear, feel and thus act to become repentant and thus to return to full obedience to the Commandments of God. This isn’t anything to do because I’ve said this – but the Savior, Prophets, Apostles and Disciples have all said this. Seemingly most find if they don’t read and understand the Scriptures on their own – then their sins are on those who teach them week to week – and not upon themselves. This is wrong! And sadly for most dead wrong in the Plan of Salvation – yes each is saved by the Atonement – but that is only the beginning. There are many degrees (or kingdoms) to which each will be found after this mortal probation – but only one Celestial Kingdom where families will reside with bodies of flesh and bone – once more in the presence of the Father and the Son.

Daughters of Heavenly Father – are the leaders to help lift their husbands, fathers, brothers, sons to a higher level – through their righteousness – and if we in anyway support the worldly we are destroying these daughters. Let us be found rather in lifting – being obedient in all things – honoring and loving these daughters and thus honoring Heavenly Father and the Saviors sacrifice for us. In the name of Jesus Christ – amen – c/ork

“To Honor and Love”

cji

7/7/14

To honor and love Father

we must also honor all

created by Him and his Son

showing a pure love eternal

especially for His daughters

our Mothers, Sisters, Wives

Daughters, Granddaughters

indeed all women in the world

treating them as if He were here

watching over our own actions

what words we speak and how

for to honor and love is for all

showing eternal respect

understanding the keys held

while in mortal probation

to honor and love Father!

Copyright © 2014 – cji

"Revisions" (short note)

The recent past and continuing today – too many have altered history and all writings to fit their needs! Then others choose to argue over the revisions forgetting all about the original. Thus the Adversary gains the advantage as he is the Father of all Contention (and we could add: hate, confusion, argument, guile, deception, revisions, anger, murder). Here I’ll only address the disagreement of revisions and the lack of any resolution when distracted from the truth.

In the futility of argument – which of course benefits none but those who feel they’ve won the argument whether with flawed rhetoric – the Founding Father’s knew quite well what they wrote and agreed to and in deed signed their names confirming their deaths if captured before the end of hostilities. Since none of us were sitting in the room – one would guess you could hear the Honorable Franklin saying to the Honorable Adams and Jefferson – “Even ten years from now men/women will reinterpret our intentions as to what we meant for their own selfish gain.” Peter in deed wrote such a letter to James about what he’d taught and what had been written about what he taught.

We had men/women (don’t believe these men were not influenced by their wives and sweethearts) who between the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution who were trying to follow God’s Law – and believe me there’s enough evidence they knew it quite well. And there was continuity from one document to the next – as several who were at the June-July 1776 meetings were at the Articles of Confederation and also at the Constitutional meetings. (Note: only one was at all four – the Treaty of Paris, Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation and the Constitution.)

The presentations of the Federalist Papers laid out so any literate person could understand the full intentions. Thus when current scholars decide to interpret what was meant or intended most have a political ax to grind (and do). When the great scholars undertook to revise the Holy Bible they made changes – but when the real efforts began and most would turn to the 1881 Revision – they made 36,000 grammar and word changes – and as of today there are over 120,000 revisions to the Holy Bible since that time – all for further clarity or better to meet individual representations to prove their various points (even the earliest Councils did this – inventing words, meanings and inserting Greek Philosophy where they didn’t know what else to do). As Paul foretold this about the Bible – one would guess many foretold this about the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

“Revisions”

cji

7/5/14

Simple stuff to rewrite

especial when long old

authors gone the way

scraps left of originals

casting doubt on intent

changing meanings

pelf to dole out about

circular footnoting done

research sloppily done

only the ghosts about

with strange leanings

illogical reasons to vent

revisions to originals

confusion thus to lay

many souls now sold

simple stuff to rewrite!

Copyright © 2014 – cji

"Signers of the Declaration of Independence" July 2, 1999

Signers of the Declaration of Independence
cji
Subject: Declaration of Independence
Date: Friday, July 02, 1999 10:07 AM

Hi what follows is information and a series of poems on the Founding Fathers of the United States

Many of you have probably seen this before. Anyway, given the season, it really makes you stop and think of the sacrifice our forefathers made for our freedom. Have a great Independence Day!!

Men of Conscience and Principles:


Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence?

John Hancock
James Wilson
Caesar Rodney
George Ross
George Reed
Thomas M. Kean
William Floyd
Phillip Livingston
Francis Lewis
Lewis Morris
Richard Stockton
John Witherspoon
Francis Hopkinson
John Hart
Abra Clark
Josiah Bartlett
William Whipple
Samuel Adams
John Adams
Robert Treat Payne
Eldridge Gerry
Stephen Hopkins
William Ellery
Roger Sherman*
Samuel Huntington
William Williams
Oliver Wolcott
Matthew Thornton
Button Gwinnett
Lyman Hall
George Walton
William Hooper
Joseph Hewes
John Penn
Edward Rutledge
Thomas Heyward Jr.
Thomas Lynch Jr.
Arthur Middleton
Samuel Chase
William Paca
Thomas Stone
Charles Carroll of Carrollton
George Wythe
Richard Henry Lee
Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Harrison
Thomas Nelson, Jr.
Francis Lightfoot Lee
Carter Braxton
Robert Morris
Benjamin Rush
Benjamin Franklin*
John Morton
George Clymer*
James Smith
George Taylor

John Dickenson (PA)

Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, these men pledged: "For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor."

They gave you and me a free and independent America. The history books never told you a lot of what happened in the Revolutionary War. We didn't just fight the British. We were British subjects at that time and we fought our own government! Some of us take these liberties so much for
granted...We shouldn't. So, take a couple of minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and silently thank these patriots. It's not much to ask for the price they paid.

These are the men and their families that the next series of poems will be written on (my thanks for William Bryan for passing part of this unto me). He was correct I've read and re-read this many times. Each of these men are familiar to me - they are important to me - thus I hope they will not object to my writing about them in form of poetry/prose in which I write. I'll probably split it up in various parts - easier to send - I hope - cjingerson 7/3/99

This next part will be a series of 56+ poems - some short and some long - but each signer will be looked at individually; I hope this is acceptable to those who receive - these were all written on the 2nd and 3rd of July, 1999 - cjingerson

"Who Were These Men"
(part II)

cji
7/3/99

"Where Does One Start"

Do you start with Caesar Rodney
who off his death bed came
to cast a vote one last time.

Or do you look to John Adams
and Edward Rutledge two men
so different yet so the same.

Does the lore of Ben Franklin
lull you to forget about others
such as Dr. Lyman Hall.

Thus we wonder of Roger Sherman
a minister who came late and stayed
to be a signer and then the Constitution.

Forever will be remembered the contributions
of John Hancock who was the President
for this group and signed his name first.

When wavering to start is it Judge James Wilson
who cast the last vote to bring a divided
Pennsylvania to the unanimous vote.

Or better the men who suffered the greatest
in sacrificing all, including life and family
at the hounding of the British hunt.

Whom would you chose to write of first
how many of these men do you know
for these are the men who crossed the line.

Thus I ask you ponder all of this and more
as each in turn I'll address in verse or form
to a little of each you'll know some more.

So mind not the order simple or complex
each of these men (and their families)
offered up their very lives if need.

For each was branded a traitor with a price
hated beyond any you can imagine
so a new country might be born.

Two became Presidents number two
and three of this great nation once
others died impoverished and alone.

None retracted their sworn honor
to this nation to uphold even the one
who served but did not sign.


"John Hancock - MA"

He was the first to sign
in big bold letters did he
so King George could see his line
and also he as president the first to be.

He was a Boston merchant rich
in politics he did spend time
where he as a leader did switch
also a militia leader he did shine.

Serve his country he did in deed
while he could have had a life
of leisure instead of bleed
and avoided all of this strife.

Even today his name a symbol
for all who their duty to know
he saw his mission as simple
and thus with his signature show.

Honor, gentlemen honor indeed
for by signing first this treason
his name alone stood seconds in need
for others to fulfill this country's reason.


"John Adams - MA"

The fiery thorn of voice
to annoy, cajole, induce
able to ably his cause rejoice
and his enemies appease or reduce.

Yet he was all he said and more
for he served where none dare
in France, at Great Briton's door
even got loans from the Dutch fair.

He helped negotiate the Treaty of Paris
which ended the American war
while careful in speech never careless
this knack he had of making others sore.

Called to the committee to draft
the Declaration of Independence was he
and was thus equal to this craft
where his skills and knowledge must be.

One of the most interesting of men
hated by friends and all alike
he was zealot with a righteous yen
and would walk alone this narrow pike.

His whole life is marked in service done
for his country he left his histories mark
doing more than duties call than some
he left his soul, his mind and heart.

So judge this man carefully now
for as aggravating as he could be
he was usually the right man somehow
in the right place for you and me.


"Samuel Adams - MA"

Not apply known as his peers
but this man could reason
and with his words make seers
of those who would understand treason.

He was the drafter of the official papers
which defied and defined the Stamp Act
for all to see and hear the reapers
never once missing an essential fact.

To some he was an embarrassment
for to call him out was a mistake
to think him just incompetent
it was his mind where stood his stake.

The merchants and peers of his day
called him a rabble rouser of a kind
causing more trouble than they could say
but he would all their treachery find.

Quiet when he had to be for others
he defied anyone to cross swords
with his sisters or bothers
his quest was for country not awards.


"Josiah Bartlett, Sr. - NH"

Here was a man educated well
as both a physician and lawyer
soft and gentle people would tell
but hard as nails in a courts foyer.

He served his nation long and hard
beyond the call of duty tried he
carefully examining each and every card
justice was he known his password to be.

In fairness it needs to be said of him
his whole life was to but serve another
for to him honor was not a sin
but to go forth when called by a brother.


"Carter Braxton - VA"

Here is a man who lost all
during the war reduced to rags
but he undaunted heard the call
and still packed his flimsy bags.

Thought reduced to poverty's role
he served his nation until 1791
when his health took its toll
thus he died at age sixty-one.

Not as well-known where others meet
he was wealthy a man of means
but the British sank his fleet
his honor never wavered it seems.

He eventually had to sell his home
to pay off his debts incurred to some
who understood not the loan
and the hardship war had become.

The world then is not like today
where one incurs a debt
with never any intention to pay
thus it is in a different light set.


"Charles Carroll of Carrolton - MD"

He outlived them all with his heart
at the age of 95 he finally had to go
knowing of what he was part
was on a good course but ok for show.

All his life in public service for all
his profession to be a lawyer good
he added greatly to our knowledge of law
as each of his friends knew he would.



"Samuel Chase - MD"

Probably the first man
to say, 'Show me,'
thus he went to see men stand
and fire on a flock of geese;

he knew we could shoot
now that we needed to arm
and help these men to boot
thus he sent up his alarm.

Maryland was a state not sure
of which way the country should
go and retain still England to be pure
but then he saw we freedom achieve could;

he came back to the meeting hall
proclaiming let’s get the lead out
to everyone who would listen this call
every ear would hear this lofty shout.

Samuel Chase was forever in the light
serving as an associate justice too
of the Supreme Court until night
and his mortal end did come true;

accused and acquitted by others
who power they wanted without price
but defended by his brothers
remembered his contributions nice.

For some to give all to their
country beloved then have men
try to take away or be unfair
credit to take and away send;

seems like the one flaw
left as an open sore even today
in the genius of our law
and the price of freedom to pay.


"Abraham Clark - NJ"

This is the man to say thank you
one an all must recognize these lights
it is he to be indebted forever too
as he fought for the Bill of Rights.

Now today we know they are under fire
to be used as willy-nilly as can be
by those in power or corruption's ire
these we must protect you can see.

This farmer, surveyor, lawyer three
saw not only the need but fought
and served his country for thee
that these rights forever be taught.

He was known as Congress Abraham
having served his life till the end
knowing one and all for his stand
calling none enemy and all friend.


"George Clymer - PA"

One who lost all during the war
he was both a signer here
and of the Constitution also wore
his signature for all to cheer.

Though his home and properties looted
he continued to serve in all ways
never to have his horn tooted
he is one forgotten in the history of today's.

He was a financial wizard of skill
and in addition to all else he did
the organization of the commissary will
in Washington's army he was bid.

With a self-sacrificing labor and time
he made sure the army was fed
and that every man in line
never to an empty plate was led.

"William Ellery - RI"

Another whose home was burned
yet he remained with honor to the cause
and served with naval decoration earned
never once looking back or taking pause.

He believed in states' rights and fought
for these at every level he knew
especially as a Justice and taught
that service to one’s state one must be true.

Thus in his career he turned down
the Supreme Court of the United States
as Rhode Island need him in Congas now
his history is one of devotion to duty relates.


"William Floyd - NY"

Serving with distinction
he too had his home and lands
burned and raped in recognition
by the British of his signature's hands.

Thus this wealthy landowner and man
served as a soldier and then a pioneer
to settle Western NY and its land
forever holding to his honor dear.

He too like most of the others
never neglected his country to serve
his life was there for sisters and brothers
much more than honor does he deserve.

You see in the debates NY tied
the thoughts and votes of those
they sent to represent though they vied
but in the end it was to vote they chose.


"Benjamin Franklin - PA"

What can be said now
that hasn't already been
yet you must know somehow
he understood this awakening then.

He could temper with humor
both Adams and Rutledge
no easy task with today's rumor
taking them both regularly to the edge.

His son was a traitor siding with the Brits
but he knew his duty and stayed with it
even though some say his health was in the pits
he showed daily for every important bit.

Now little known but long to remember
he held Pennsylvania's vote to the end
this a point of law to which he was the dissenter
for both his voting colleagues to offend.

Dickerson's vote would be a 'no'
yet by polling their vote at the end
Franklin countered with a yes ho
now the pressure was on Dickerson's friend.

Judge James Wilson of some report
wanted nothing to do with any of this
thus his vote would be of most import
for he could pass or defeat with his.

He looked around as Franklin knew
James would do just now confused
then he voted yes so as not slew
to be not known as the one who refused.

Thus with all the roles in his life
maybe this little knowledge of another
gave life or the chance for strife
for the freedoms of a sister or brother.


"Eldridge Gerry - MA"

Here is a man we all should be proud
an exporter and importer his trade
division with England would his life shroud
but he was a friend of Samuel Adams unafraid.

His whole life with the advent of the revolution
ended in service to his state and country somehow
even up to the very end as Vice President to Madison
he never wavered - his honor proved now.

History doesn't always say about such men
but we must understand that those who teach
don't always come across with all the truth then
when they have bones to pick and ideals to reach.


"Button Gwinnett - GA"

One of several who died
from wounds during the war
his inflicted in a duel tried
with L. McIntosh whose shot tore.

He served with honor now
yet he saw his lands trashed
like others yet he somehow
he lead in Georgia unabashed.

Vandals, soldiers and duels
we are talking of building
yet even so evil drools
watching the wanton killing.


"Lyman Hall - GA"

A minister and physician both
and then founded Sunbury, Georgia
yet Dr. Hall grew up in the North
knowing well the revolutionary furor.

He soft spoken went to represent
not swayed by the Carolina's at all
their pressure he seemed to resent
he sought to do what was his call.

As others his lands and property
destroyed by soldiers or vagrants
yet he always acted properly
doing his best the decisions enhance.

He died after serving well
his adopted state and time
history his story still to tell
his honor never crossed the line.


"Benjamin Harrison - VA"

This man was among the great
he was the father to one President
and Grand-father to a second Head of state
yet he too was a patriot of Virginia to represent.

He was the one who declared the thirteen
colonies to be independent of Great Britain too
while his whole life was spent in the political scene
he was with his honor and word always true.

Right up to his final breath of life
he was in the meetings to start
a new nation in spite of its strife
part of his blood and all of his heart.


"John Hart - NJ"

How do you write of such
a man in this life in words simple
who gave in honor so much
his life one of extreme example.

Hounded by the British to flee
even his wife's dying side
with 13 children to not see
when he returned she had died.

His whole life in destruction
for given his sacred honor to us
do we but understand his instruction
to be worthy for this man's love thus.

Dying of a broken and devastated heart
he served until his end this new nation
holding leadership positions or part
while his family now in depravation.

Can't we understand what he gave
was not a selfish act of the rich
but that you and I can have to save
to honor is more important than to bitch.

Where are men like this today
or women or children or teens
when all we want is more to say
and less to do or so it seems.

Oh I get so mad sometimes
when I can't seem to make understand
of why this nation’s blood so shines
or of how to be a person next to stand.

John Hart was but one of many
who gave all he had to give
now we just have plenty
willing to surrender all to live.

May you rest John Hart knowing
there will be a day of reckoning
when the yellow or blue will be showing
and your family will be beckoning.


"Joseph Hewes - NC"

This is the man who gave
us the Navy with a tradition
for our nation to save
when we were in a grave condition.

He accepted the call to maritime
committee as its chairman
appointing John Paul Jones to the line
to take the Navy to make the British stand.

Thus we had command given
with the responsibility delegated
to make this a country driven
no longer to be regulated.

His courage was supreme
to encourage and enable
us to cross with ships abeam
and for a change them disable.


"Thomas Heyward, Jr. - SC"

At thirty years old one of the younger
members of this elite group of men
he also served with freedom's hunger
from this bondage of Great Britain to end.

He was not the spokesman as was another
but he and Rutledge were firm in their stand
supporting each other much as a brother
willing to lend the helping hand.

For one year of the war
he was a POW possibly unknown
for surely he would have been tore
limb by limb as an example shown.

Maybe it was his age that blinded
the British to his role and blood
but his escape from death ended
he then gave service as a flood.

Never turning his back to answer a call
for most of his life in our service in deed
he did far and above for most of us all
to private life he went with honor and need.


"William Hooper - NC"

He reserved the honor to
be disbarred for one year
by the British this is true
from the law practice to fear.

Here was a lawyer and orator
who was convinced of freedom
the dreams of a nations creator
no longer a domain for a kingdom.

Young also at 34 he was learned
and respected for his view
thus he also led NC concerned
that he advocated union too.

Again he too after the peace
returned to a private life
his mind at this with ease
keeping his honor through the strife.


"Francis Hopkinson - NJ"

Here was the nation's first
Renaissance Man - musician and writer
(1st American secular song), artist
and said the first US flag designer.

He was multi-talented and learned
thus he brought a wealth of knowledge
forth with him to those concerned
foregoing those of whom he had privilege.

With this background he filled roles
too numerous to mention in so short
a poem as these today for the bell tolls
for many and not just one to report.

Here is one to do a study of grand breath
to lengthen ones stride to just to know
but so for today we'll leave it beneath
until another takes the quest him to show.


"Stephen Hopkins - RI"

One of the older members to join
he'd led a full life and this was his last
to once again watch a birth coin
to lead himself here from the past.

As an editor, and Colonial Governor
of some renown he could relax
yet with a quick wit not ignore
to edge on even Adams or Ben with the ax.

Thus he'd sit back towards a corner
no one sure whether awake or asleep
until a comment caught his former
mind to remember and have a thought deep.

This if any was both intelligence and wit
to keep conversation going when hot
and get reconciliation when things would split
also knowing when to keep quiet when not.


"Samuel Huntington - CT"

A cooper by trade
and a lawyer for profession
this man is self-made
adding the idea of concessions.

He had already served his
countrymen well in providing
among his peers he this
opportunity for participating.

As an attorney to the Crown
he knew well the English law
thus he was on firm ground
to help correct a seeming flaw.

Select men like this are hard to find
yet he was but one of many to be
available for this important task to mind
the writing so important for all to see.


"Thomas Jefferson - VA"

A long lean red-head
we've all had to study
memorizing things before bed
nothing to make him a buddy.

Yet he has more slander
written to degrade the greatness
of what he alone set the standard
in establishing steadfastness.

To the degree he was willing
of giving up a way of life
who others found quite chilling
and caused almost defeating strife.

Thus line by line he labored with care
before the congress he took a draft
will all of the others first to share
a master at work in his craft.

When first it was read it was silent
then as each of these great men
absorbed collectively its intent
the argument did some away send.

But compromise by youth and old
prevailed among the set and firm
for in this room were only the bold
with a new nation the main concern.

In the end no matter what we think
or others can come up to say
not one could hold a quill to ink
as the writings of Jefferson even today.


"Francis Lightfoot Lee - VA"

One of two brothers to sign
this great document this day
his persistence was divine
for when others had their say;
to him would they listen
while he would speak
eyes would actually glisten
not even a chair would creak.

A patriot of some renown
his family one of history's best
to know him best was sound
for his advice was above the rest;
though younger than his brother
he was an expert in the law
and wrote many a brief for another
cause for relief which others saw.


"Richard Henry Lee - VA"

Now here is a brother you'd count
to have as your own of the two
he'd leap upon his mighty mount
and the task would be done true.

Massachusetts couldn't introduce a bill
the measure to create a new nation
and thus it had to come from another hill
that is where Richard delivered oration.

He rode to Virginia and explained the need
they listened and with him agreed
then he returned to Philadelphia his deed
with all do haste and with great speed.

Even South Carolina had to agree
it was one of their own who asked
so they their embarrassment could see
if they now shirked from what was tasked.

History records the rest
for us to read and even these
exhaustive short poems test
what has proven to all to please.

The Lee family is one of the greats
in the history of the United States
to have two brothers to sign it states
there can be little argument or debates.


"Francis Lewis - NY"

Now we have a man who knew war
not that the others didn't as well
but it from his family him tore
in the French and Indian war we tell;
of how he fought, was in prison
in France, released and granted land
to then be accused of treason
having all he owned destroyed by hand.

His wife taken to prison instead of him
to die in the harshness there alone
leaving forever an emptiness within
no way but to achieve success to atone;
he used all his skills to help defeat
the English at every turn or twist
never learning the word retreat
just the mightiness of the fist.

In this elite group of men
he upheld the eternal flame
that only can be understood when
it is freedom that war to them came;
what wisdom was there here
for prison is a great teacher
that there is nothing else to fear
than the shackles of the grim reaper.


"Philip Livingston - NY"

A merchant and teacher
most of the convention
his hands were tied
by the indecision of New York
to take a stand on anything.

Yet when the final vote came
and he too would sign his name
thus forfeiting all he had
his family, his home and his name
as in York he died within two years.

Some say it was the war and stress
others it was of a broken spirit
and heart for his family's death
yet it was with honor still
for his name now shows red.

He served well and long
but it is better to remember
the honor as the others
for which he stood
behind the tears of love.


"Thomas Lynch, Jr. - SC"

Lost at sea on a ship to France
is the end of this man's life
serving as an officer with lance
came and end to his strife.

He was a lawyer and planter
a provider and only twenty-six
while at the convention center
he died at thirty on this ship.

Yet he was among his peers
who some were twice or three times
his age it didn't matter it appears
for ability didn't know any lines.

He took his sick father's place
and in his honor signed his name
but with the recognition of face
it was still considered the same.

Now burning low in somewhere
is a history of this but yet a lad
for this is the life of someone to share
who had the credibility of his dad.


"Thomas McKean - DE"

A man of two states alternatively
who owned homes in both PA and DE
and held office simultaneously
within either at a given time all aware.

An attorney who understood the spoils
of war and lost all he had to avoid capture
yet managed to survive these toils
and some of his wealth re-capture.

He served in congress without pay
his family impoverished until war's end
thus he survived to live another day
settling in PA as its Governor and friend.


"Arthur Middleton - SC"

This is an adventurous man
who a month and a half
prior to signing his name
was stealing guns on the war's behalf.

He was one of five
who took part in this raid
to get rifles to divide
without waiting for them to be paid.

Then he too was a prisoner of war
captured during siege of Charleston
this in 1780 but he was free once more
to serve in the state senate in 1781.

His property was also destroyed
by vandals and/or soldiers done
still in service he remained employed
but by 1787 his life's blood had run.


"Lewis Morris - NY"

Fourteen years an Admiralty Judge
appointed by the crown trained him
for the task at hand and not be-grudge
he knew the law and he was grim.

The British destroyed his home
but never his spirits or humor
in spite of New York's leaving him alone
he never caused a ripple or a rumor.

His service to his country and state
continued until his death in 1798
a farmer more gifted in mind than estate
he lived long, served well and died at 68.


"Robert Morris - PA"

The banker of the war
who more than anyone could
and did sacrifice to finance more
so we might have the chance we should.

He was founder of the Nation's first bank
yet ironically because of land fears
bankruptcy was declared and he sank
into a debtor's prison for three years.

His service to the nation now neglected
to come to his aid in time of need
after all he had done respected
none would offer him a deed.

How times have changed when now
a criminal with political connections
always avoids the law somehow
then we wonder about new corruption's.

The strangeness of it all is men
who gave their lives and wealth true
to give this country a God-send
did not even receive a thank you.

You see honor and service and toil
was expected to be the norm back then
while today it is to watch others spoil
by cheating, lying, stealing till the end.


"John Morton - PA"

A surveyor who served well
as a justice of the peace
and in the colonial congress swell
his knowledge he did increase.

He served in courts as a judge
while doing others duties too
understanding the public's grudge
while to principle was always true.

Dying before the dream
could be realized in life
it was a visualization seen
to end this revolutionary plight.

But he too did his part
giving all to his honor code
including all within his heart
which values could never be sold.


"Thomas Nelson, Jr. - VA"

Finally another fire-eaters
a friend of Patrick Henry's too
one of those tavern feeders
this man was always true.

At Yorktown knowing the British
had set up headquarters in his home
urged Washington to blast the English
thus it is said he died poor and alone.

I don't think this is entirely true
as in service to his country still
till his end and his son did too
serving two presidents with a will.

You see to be broke then and now
are two different things indeed
for families took you in somehow
and never left you in need.

His son Hugh would never have
deserted him or family true
for this would against honor grave
and this is nothing any would ever do.


"William Paca - MD"

Another financier of the war
and advocate long before
he did work hard at the door
thus his state his mark bore.

Active in many ways to find
easier methods to define the law
as a lawyer and a chief judge fine
he imparted the wisdom he saw.

Gone were any illusions of greatness
just the need to get the job done
not to worry about its neatness
until the end and clean-up begun.

Of course with utmost requirements
he supported the constitution too
but he recommended 28 amendments
to give it a little more tune is true.

It would be interesting to find
those amendments now somewhere
to see how closely they are in kind
with the ones we've added there.


"Robert Treat Payne - MA"

One of the few who signed
both the "Olive Branch Petition"
and the Declaration designed
he was a man of no great contradiction.

He could have been or had many
political appointments by skill
it took being twice asked for any
to the Supreme Court of MA a seat to fill.

In addition to politics and law
he loved the sciences too
and started with vision he saw
the American Arts and Sciences for you.

His talents at the end of his life
mostly into privacy because of hearing
filled with much peace and strife
yet another to the end honor bearing.


"John Penn - NC"

At age 35 another of the young
we forget what burden to serve
while thinking this a country sung
the death song of the old with nerve.

Think now how the youth who were
that signed this document plenty
before we start to judge please defer
this is a country of the many.

Don't look back and just see
the Franklin's and Rodney's
they were important to be
but they didn't hold all of the keys.

And many of these so youthful
also died very young too
the strain was hard and full
John Penn died at 46, tis true.


"George Reed - DE"

The most influential man
from the state of Delaware
with the stature to stand
any place and anywhere.

He was the person you'd hope
next to you in a good fight
or to be tossing you a rope
on a storm tossed sea at night.

His service never seemed to start
he was always where needed
full of life and desire of heart
all of his advice was heeded.

When other states had disputes
his name would head the list
of those to be the recruits
fixing fences and friends enlist.

This I think of all I have known
was the one I've liked the best
not to pick of one shown
he was just a head above the rest.


"Caesar Rodney - DE"

During the convention
he was a very sick man
and the conditions to mention
were hot and humid for him to stand.

He often went home to rest
and conserve his energy to burn
yet when the question was to test
with George Reed's help him return.

His wisdom was wise to all to hear
for experience vast in judgeships
and he voice quiet was clear
in spite of the hardships.

This was a country being born
and it required his vote he knew
his honor and duty he'd sworn
so this convention he'd see through.

These again are the men
and their families fine
to allow them to spend
these large amounts of time.

Where in the world do we see
another country like ours
can you answer please to me
none which have no watch towers.

It is the Caesar Rodney's and others
who I'm proud to be able to call
my loving older sisters and brothers
not just one of them but them all.


"George Ross - PA"

A toss up here as to who
we see that he really was
for his mission was split in two
and the only answer is because.

He was first a Troy known
and then a Whig to be
but not to worry it was shown
when the chips were down he would see.

His vote was a resounding yes
and he did sign like all the rest
sometimes we wonder who to bless
for bringing together all of the best.


"Benjamin Rush - PA"

Here we have a physician
and science pioneer
a reformer who was a clinician
who advocated causes dear.

Holding many positions in war
he ended up caring for the mint
of the United States and more
still upholding his eyes of flint.

He hated slavery and opposed it
but also knew in time there is a cure
yet this was always a bitter pit
you can be very, very sure.


"Edward Rutledge - SC"

Now here is a youngster to see
yet is was even better to him hear
for at 27 years old ideal led him to be
at first violently opposed to here.

Yet when compromise was reached
he led the Carolina's in this search
and the slavery issue was preached
not breached from his lofty perch.

History portrays him in many lights
but it is nice to romances sometimes
of what could of been on certain nights
he did not cross quite that many lines.

He served in the war with distinction
and the valor of a soldier one
with the savvy of good condition
but was captured in Charleston.

Thus surviving the war
he too continued to serve others
between parties he was tore
never failing sisters or brothers.

He turned down an appointment
to the Supreme Court too
it is interesting on this commitment
how many refused what they could do.

For these are the men who knew best
what the intent of the new nation was thrust
yet left to others the interpretation lest
their knowledge be mistaken to abuse a trust.



"Roger Sherman - CT"

A shoemaker, surveyor and lawyer
is this what makes the story of a man
or is there more we do see out in the foyer
for surely these items do not this man understand.

Here is the only man to sign all four
of the great documents of a new nation
yet in reality he helped draft more
and many would have liked to be a relation.

John Adam's said of him this tribute,
'An old puritan, as honest as an angel
and firm to the cause of America...' none dispute
their were none who with Adams on this would tangle.

At age fifty-five one of the elders there
at the meeting and signers who were bold
but he treated all men equally fair
and wanted all men to have rights to hold.

He lived until age 72 while still to serve
his country, our country, the common man
with the convictions that everyone did deserve
the rights as another who were willing to work and stand.


"James Smith - PA"

This Irish lad who came
early to this new land
to build a home and remain
lending others an open hand.

He worked hard and made a name
for himself and his kin to grow
but his desire for freedom the same
thus he was a patriot for all to know.

With clean clothes he did not mind
to set about to help fight this war
he organized the Pennsylvania Militia find
and the rank of Brigadier General he wore.

He lived to the age of ninety-three
and saw many changes in his life
but most to see America to be free
was worth all his fury and life's strife.

Can we emulate him now instead
of some we see wanting just to receive
and get a handout of milk and bread
or politician who just try to deceive?

What is wrong with and honest day's work
or to fight to keep what is right and free
getting rid of those their duties shirk
trying to take the rights which make us flee.

Would men like this blame another
for a blatant deed done and planned
to gain political favor or other
gift or greed or freedom reprimanded?

Think carefully of this Irish lad
who came to this land to help it grow
I think with the politics now he would be sad
and would not sit by but let his anger show.


"Richard Stockton, Sr. - NJ"

The father of a great family to be
he was captured and mistreated
for a month by torries you see
then they led him go free and retreated.

His estate pillaged and his health poor
still he stood to the challenge of honor
and helped with his abilities to fight the war
never of him will you hear an ill rumor.

At 46 he was a signer proud
of this document for a nation new
but all its fruits would hid by a shroud
for at 51 he died not seeing the end to review.

Where are we when thinking of him
to risk it all with a signature and his word
do we have the gratitude of heart within
giving honor to our name and our word?


"Thomas Stone - MD"

At the age of thirty-three
he saw what his duty was to be
and thus he helped to make us free
of the bondage to the world to see.

At the age of forty-four
he was dead and almost poor
for this nations independence war
but again his vision was sore.

He was a lawyer young and fine
his future bright within the line
with a nature to be to others kind
men like him were hard to find.

But in the mortal end
he left to most a friend
his works no need to defend
he was honest with no pretend.


"George Taylor - PA"

A late signer to the document
one of the many from Pennsylvania
who was against the Declaration
he eventually signed on the
2nd day of August 1776.

He did not like politics
but as an avocation
and was much more moderate
with the desire to be left alone
when it came down to it.

Yet he did what was needed
to secure the rights
and liberties of his fellow-man
instead of what in his own mind
mattered not to him to be involved.

One thing he did do of importance
and this was probably of some ire
for he was on the committee
that wrote what the congress
could or could not do (smile).


"Matthew Thornton - NH"

He too signed the Declaration
late in the year of 1776
and not in July like some others.

Due to pressing state business
and his medical practice
this was not as unusual as it appears.

Active for over 30 years in local
and state affairs he stayed involved
till his health forced him to retire.

Another of the several Irish
from birth who came to this new land
in the early 1700's to contribute greatly.


"George Walton - GA"

Again among a younger one
we see an avid active man
at 35(25*) a patriot born in 1741(50*)
who was not afraid to stand.

Captured during the war
his home and belongings burned
he instead let his valor soar
and stayed active till his death.

He was Georgia's leading statesman
and held this position and stature
for the years till he was unable to stand
thus once again to return to nature.


"William Whipple - NH"

Went to the sea as a young man
and was a ship's master by 24
his cargo dealt in slaves understand
then he had a change of heart out pour.

Setting all of his slaves free
he entered into other things to do
leaving forever it appeared the sea
starting with a merchant store to.

During the war he alternately served
with the state militia and in congress
held the rank of Brigadier General deserved
much in the hope of this nations progress.

Though his service was short
our nation him owes the freedom
he in 1785 gave a final report
and left for another kingdom.


"William Williams - CT"

Another who gave of what he had
to help finance the war
even though recently married
he was already a veteran
of the French and Indian Wars.

Once involved he stayed the course
the rest of his life to live
in the service of his country
and his state his time, and life
he did freely give in service.

Thus in all he gave over sixty years
of service to help build this small
nation from a melting pot
into a place to come and be free
from oppression if one has the git up and go.


"James Wilson - PA"

Late to America 1766 via Scotland
he was one of the most brilliant men
to see the ramifications of law and land
wrote a pamphlet limiting the British then.

His vision exceeded most others
in the matters at hand so disliked
in speculation critics had their druthers
but all their plans he with acumen spiked.

The romance is of his final vote of yes
which is probably fictional at best
this separation from England he did bless
but whose to say so we'll let it rest.

He served his adopted nation well
and that in the long run is the measure
serving on the Supreme Court to tell
constitutionality of what he created true.


"John Witherspoon - NJ"

Another who came from bonny Scotland
in 1768 - to immediately have an effect
on the political bells throughout the land
and in specific to get New Jersey in the trek.

A college president and patriot too
with ideas fresh to have his say
his words still today will ring true
for good ideas know no age or day.

So like others once immersed in this experiment
he stayed on to assist and repair and compare
much to the need of a nation born in a moment
with the desire to follow the right path fully aware.


"Oliver Wolcott - CT"

Becoming sick in June 1776
sent him home from the convention
where upon William Williams
was able to take his place and sign.

Upon his return to Connecticut
he carried with him the lead
from the statute of King George
for the ladies to make bullets.

Regaining his health he was able
to return and sign the Declaration
and also serve in numerous positions
until the end of the war.

He retired to private life for a while
but was called again to serve his state
first as Lt. Governor and then Governor
until his death - two uneventful years later.

Here was a brilliant man who led his class
four consecutive years at Yale
and majoring in medicine, while yet
being learned in law and diplomacy.

He knew the enemy and it's redoubts
having helped to supply them
for General Gage and others prior
to his coming the Congress.

In addition he helped defend
leading 300-400 volunteers
in battle and organizing shore
defenses against Tyron's raids.

During all of this he held his honor
like all of the rest to live or die
defending what he believed to be
the most correct of all principles.


"George Wythe - VA"

What a privilege to know
such a man as this George Wythe
can you understand the whole
story of a man who wrongs righteth.

He was the teacher to John Marshall
Thomas Jefferson, James Monroe
and I'm sure this is not nearly all
those who numbered him are a long roll.

This was a man who not only taught
but listened when he did with concern
enough to take direct action bought
to free all of his slaves to help them learn.

Not only did he consider their education
but that they needed a means to live
so he broke with the normal tradition
then with substance to get started he did give.

The nation owes so much to men like this
who don't just talk but also miles will walk
to change this nation back to people is a risk
with morals in decline people now just talk.



"The Best for Last - John Dickinson"

A man of strong beliefs
felt that we should resolve
differences with reconciliation
not war or rebellion or treason.

He voted against the Declaration
yet then went and enlisted to fight
one of two congressman to do so
achieving the rank of Brigadier General.

During the war moving from Pennsylvania
to Delaware he became a leader in politics
there as well as he once been in before
he was a delegate from both states in the Congress.

He held various offices in both states
at varying times and served as president
of both in the 1780's while serving
also in the military until the end of the war.

The value of this man and his steadfastness
to his principles is both amazing and outstanding
when you think of those today who don't
get what they want they bring a lawsuit.

John Dickinson went with his convictions
yet served his country with distinction
never once compromising his beliefs
and in the end signed the Constitution.

He fought in that convention as well
and was instrumental in the two houses
of Congress - one based on population
the other on equity of two per state, appointed.

Of course in history today the reason
for this is long forgotten as to be elected
you need both money and time
and to curry the political tail of power.

While to be a Senator was to be appointed
and not elected which required no funds
from others to gain favor or compromise
of values in the end to get to power.

The 1934 Congress did away with this
and also many others things of greatness
put forth by this man of principles
with the others of greatness who agreed.


"The Conclusions"

cji
7/4/99

Great men, great events
marvelous the intervention
of hands which can move mountains
separate waters to bring to pass
the enlightenment to a world
which was dwelling in darkness.

How can one explain the coming together
of all of these events, men, wisdom
at one time and in one place
in any other manner or way?

This was not random chance of rolling dice
this was the best of the best from the world
brought together in a sequence and area
where the greatest experiment of man
could be allowed to take place and succeed.

Think of it statistically, we are erroneously called
a nation of old men and old thoughts and old ways
yet let see if that is really true or liberal rhetoric:
1) of the signers of the Declaration of Independence
a) 2 were in their 20's
b) 17 were in their 30's
c) 19 were in their 40's
d) 9 were in their 50's
e) 6 were in their 60's
f) 1 (Benjamin Franklin was 70)
2) Thirty-three of the fifty-six died before 1800
3) Four lived till 1820 (1821-1; 1826-2 and 1832-1)

This is a nation of the young
with ideas fresh and fertile
to last to the millennium
for this is a nation under God
and even with the corruption
which now abounds;
good women and men
are trying to right these wrongs.

When given a choice of anywhere
in the world to live for those
who have traveled and know;
it is better to be poor in the U.S.
than to have substance anywhere
else in the entire world today.

Think what you may of guns
and of criminal laws
the corruption we've allowed
men and women to get away with;
because morally it isn't our right.

Sometime in the near future
we will wake up and there
will no longer be a sunrise
or a sunset for any to see;
but it will be holocaust
of the proportion unknown
to anyone's wildest imagination.

All of the debts will be collected
and all will pay for what they owe;
the dance card will be empty
then the party will be over.

Ignorance of the law will not stand
or of the words of Prophets
spoken so women and men alike
could understand will come forth
to ask why we did not obey;
or better why we destroyed
the best thing God had ever
given man to use to help others?

These men I'm sure have had days
when windows were open
and they could see through forever;
thus their wisdom wasn't blind
or even a lucky guess or chance
but the vision of visionary men
to see the opportunity to take a stand
within this land to proclaim freedom
with accountability and responsibility.

Copyright ©July 02, 1999/cji

'Chuck' Charles J. Ingerson, CPCM, Fellow (NCMA)

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